Have you met Jesus . Only a few blacks were able to do this. Natives did not participate in the slave trade. Two of the most famous Gallaghers are brothers and bandmates of Oasis fame, Liam and Noel Gallagher. As far as Irish slaves being treated worse than African slaves, not true. Not Wikipedia, or self proclaimed historians with B.S. Doyle Irish. And, those of Irish descent can be found mainly in English-speaking countries, including Great Britain, the United States, Canada, and Australia. 8. Famous Murrays include tennis player Andy Murray and actor Bill Murray. I would like to share this article on Facebook but do not see a Facebook icon to share the link. So for me. I am mixed with other things but my maiden name is McClure. Endentured servitude is not some made up concept, as this article implies, it was a legal term with legal and Biblical limitations. Actress Betty White is one of the most famous people with this surname. They were owned by an Irish family. And a minority of slave owners were also black. Like many ancient lands, Ireland has seen the arrival of settlers, explorers, ancient tribes, and clans of all different nationalities over centuries. After which they were given the title of white and used as overseers on plantations. Another was the prevailing feeling among the Southern States that they were not being representing and that their votes didnt count. No need to compare the two as slavery in any form or fashion is wrongno matter to what extent it was practiced. Sell whatever lies you like, but if you think the Irish were not deeply involved in some of the fiercest fighting of The Civil War (for both sides), then why would any other opinion you hold be deemed worthy of merit? Slavery was a terrible condition to place on any people. Famous examples include actresses Demi Moore, Julianne Moore, andMandyMoore. I was born in Jamaica & was told a little about this by an Irish funeral director. People hardly wanna learn African names now and wanna say Ill call you _______ but anyway I have an Irish last name because of my moms dad but I also have a French last name that originated in Germany. Who were the Black Irish, and what is their story? - IrishCentral.com This forced labour was in essence an extension of the English Poor Laws, e.g. I love it !! Keiran is an Irish and Scottish name that literally means black or dark. it didnt matter whether you were Irish, English,Welsh, Scottish, Black, White, or any other race or colour, you just needed to be POOR. The article failed to explain that. However, this isnt auditing who had it better and who had it worse!!! I am a Jamaican and I do know, based on teaching, that whites were experimented as slaves for a short period; however they failed to be productive in the climate and harsh conditions. Bear in mind black African slaves had the stigma of being likened to animals, mentally backwards and being treated as savage- Which was part of the propaganda system to justify black Africans being enslaved. Ireland Before You Die (IB4UD) is the biggest Irish travel and culture website. Simply put, they could blend in and have a life. The way you glossed over this with comments like The settlers began to breed Irish women and girls with African men, as if the African men (and women and children) werent also being raped, and bred with each other and Irish people and slave owners. Africans were *things*. The O or preceding a second name means the grandson of or descendant of and is a common feat in Irish surnames. Yet, many often state that the first Celts arrived on the island of Ireland around 500 BC. If they were able to keep their names and their identities, there is no way that Irish people were treated as poorly as African people. Im curious please describe the discrimination that you face everyday personally? Well my last name is carmickle. Youll find that most often the enslaved are identified by age and gender only. Where they were made to feel unwelcome, they headed for the hills, which is why we have the Appalachian populations, and others like them, populating those hills to this day. i.e. knew their origins. Famous McCarthys include Pulitzer Prize-winning American novelist Cormac McCarthy and actress Melissa McCarthy. No, most of them could not read most of them did not know what was going on beyond a three block radius. Today black people are assimilated into western culture, et slavery hasnt ended. Kerry Meaning: "black-haired" "dark-haired" "dark-haired clan" Variations: Keri, Kerri, Kari, Carrie, Cerise, Cherise, Cherri, Cherry Although my name has awarded me a lot of great opportunities because it looks great on paper; Im a 60 tall African American from GEORGIA .I HAD TO KNOW!!!!!!! Indentured servitude did not last as long as or was as vast as outright chattel race based life long slavery in America. I could be totally wrong on this but its what Ive read when I did my research. Read up on the potato famine. Both explanations for why blacks have Irish last names are only partially true. Did they feel they had a moral obligation to not support slavery? Were these apprentices chattel? I was raised a Catholic.. however one day in cadycissim the nuns instructions were to draw Jesus as we seen him in our eyes, Simple one would think , were talking 4th grade ! They could be biological descendants of an Irish or Scottish family. 1) It wasnt hundreds of thousands of them that were put to work. Im English Scandinavian Western Europe Eastern Europe, European Jew Irish my oldest ancestry comes from Africa I along with all of you are the human race we are imperfect people frail to a fault trying to make life better for each other. Connolly 24. Once they were accepted as white around the Depression, they quickly became as racist as any other white person during that time and hurriedly left the neighborhoods they were living in with Blacks. This seems to be the deniers and minimizes position. Even if an Irish woman somehow obtained her freedom, her kids would remain slaves of her master. To add to it the female is usually severely overweight about half the time. Actor, director, and screenwriter Scott Foley is the most famous person by the name Foley. Do you not believe that the Irish people suffered for centuries under British domination ? Leo Whelan was an acclaimed Irish portrait painter. And when the draft riots kicked off in New York city a lot of those Irish and Italians turned their hatred and attention on the African Americans!!! Dont think for one second that Irish were liked by their british landlords. The Irish often were poor and condescended by society but they were legal citizens and had a better status than a slave. How dare you compare 100,000 indentured servants and criminals to the kidnapping of 12.5 million people? Irish version of McFadden = MacPidn, Irish version of McDonald = MacDhmhnaill. Walsh 5. The powers that be, have kept a lot of the truth where history covered up because, its all so ugly as well as in humane!!!!!!!! 'Black Irish' is often a description of people of Irish origin who had dark features, black hair, dark complexion and eyes. On December 21, 1988 Jesse Jackson and a group of other black leaders officialy declared their support for the term African American. Well than do research and prove yourself right instead of arguing out of not knowing. This is nothing new, look throughout recorded human history at every time one group has oppressed several other groups rather than unite as brothers-in-arms and the oppressed groups turn against each other in the hopes of receiving their masters favour. Unlike the African slaves, the Irish were physically indistinguishable from the English. When someone thinks of American culture they think of Scots-Irish. Copyright 2023 Irish Studio LLC All rights reserved. Rarely youll find them listed by age, gender and a first name NEVER A LAST NAME. Johnson took him to court and the judge ruled that Anthony Johnson did not have to release this man. Variant of Doherty. There looks to be much more valuable information available if you search on this form of the name. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission. It would be interesting to know why they are attracted to each other. Quite interesting piece of history here I just had to share with all of you. Ryan (30795) My grandfather gave me His name..I lived with him in the flesh Africa is a huge continent. When enslaving whites/Christians became illegal in the U.S., the newly released white indentured servants became crackers/overseers and many became slave owners themselves. I do so only under protest. When Blacks succeeded in creating wealth and communities that allowed Blacks to have good lives, they were systematically destroyed by angry envious bigoted white people of every background including Irish. This has already been disproven. After Cromwell there was such a situation, that later was deemed less desirable in a cost/benefit calculation, because of Irish poverty they could get the same benefit by using indentured servitude.*footnote. If These men are in jail serving time for committing a crime, I have no sympathy for them or anyone else serving time. The most famous people with the surname Hayes were Rutherford B. Hayes, the 19th president of the United States, and retired basketball player Elvin Hayes. The next great influx came from Northern Europe, with Viking raids occurring as early as 795 A.D. Case and point, to her its all about race. The Scots-Irish are not Irish. My Mom is Caucasion and Scottish. This is the most recent history and this is, what Id argue, is the reason why Blacks are accredited as being the slave race. Now is it Irish or Scottish. The Irish people are native to the island country. Another 30,000 Irish men and women were also transported and sold to the highest bidder. Famous OConnors include singer Sinad OConnor, novelist Flannery OConnor, and retired United States Associate Justice of the Supreme Court Sandra Day OConnor. My Uncle Lon, born in the U.S. was shot in the head by the KKK in Sudbury Massachusetts back in the twenties. Although some of the indigenous people eventually earned their way up in status and they imported slaves from the African slave trade, the overwhelming majority of the oppressed was still the South America natives. Interesting read. Irish heritage at this point is one of many battles won and lost. As I said an Irish female slave mating with an African slave could not transfer his last name because it was the name of a white owner, if an Irish male slave mated with an African slave she would not get his slave name, it would be the property of the white owner, riddle us this??? The Irish Catholics did not not migrate voluntarily to the Americas until the 1850s when the Irish Potato Famine hit their country. Moore is another of the most popular Irish names. I am tired of the Irish and their historical lies!!!!! Its usually done to earn money for the commissary or to pay back a debt to the person they committed the crime on. Disgusting lies like this are akin to Holocaust Denial, and its no surprise that one of the authors circulating this myth, Michael Hoffman, is in fact an outspoken Holocaust Denier. I thought it was funny when he came out with this B.S. The West, wrongly puts Africa, which is a continent not a country, as all the same people. Why cant we acknowledge all the suffering that occurred without saying whose may have been more painful. The Anglo-Saxon offspring he openly acknowledged. I have a very Irish last nameMurphy, enjoy and thanks for sharing Konnetta! Why do we continue to ignore the pain of others? Heres a case for you to review (take your time): Master Samuel Symonds against Irish slaves: Law Case, Master Samuel Symonds against Irish slaves. Though bigotry definitely had its part to play, the root of the issue, was nevertheless mostly about making a profit at the expense and exploitation of these slaves. Also, there is one difference between White Indentured servants or slaves and Black slaves in a country where Blacks are legally considered property. Now White people want to say Okay, no more racism, you keep what you have and Ill keep what I have after tilting the field in their favor for decades. In a generation where so much information is consumed via hearsay or processed by means of social media, oftentimes, we can forget to dig into research like in the old days. It is possible that the arrival of large numbers of Irish after the famine into America, Canada, Australia, and beyond resulted in their being labeled as "black" in that they escaped from this new kind of black death. Read Whence the Black Irish of Jamaica by Joseph R Williams. Reblogged this on Eccentric and Bent and commented: If you cant even get that right!!!! A death was a monetary setback, but far cheaper than killing a more expensive African. Find out the meaning behind your Irish surname - Part I It means "little dark one" [4] or "little dark-haired one", produced by appending a diminutive suffix to ciar ("black", "dark"). Anglo-Irish) were in Ireland. The majority of Irish did not immigrate till after the close of the atlantic slave trade, and towards the civil war, or until the opening of the 20th century. Top 100 Irish Surnames From Each County In Ireland I dont expect people to spot the difference between the Scottish Planters who shared Gaelic names and were approved to move into Ireland and take the land to quell the natives. Since their skin looked like their masters skin did they benefit from any type privilege- no matter how small? There WERE absentee Irish SLAVEOWNERS. I have to go back and check to see if the word slave is even in it. Originating from France, the Normans were a primitive, powerful group of fighters who were first welcomed to the Emerald Isle, led by Dermot McMurrough, a king of Leinster (one of the islands four provinces) in Ireland. As most of the slave owners were of Anglo-Celtic descent, these are the names that the African-Americans were saddled with. More than a sense of pride, our names give us the ability to trace our Irish roots through the generations. This answers a hell of a lot for me. Oh, and by the way, my Irish ancestors fought for the North at Gettysburg, for three hundred dollars and a ticket out of Ireland. If they existed they were unenforceable because Irish did not have to change their race to blend in and be accepted. This is not new information, I have always known about this since I was a small child, my family has always spoke about it, we always wondered why the Irish themselves did not voice it more, was it to securely assimilate into the other parts of white culture, they have done just that, not sure if it is secure or not, but sometimes you wont know if someone is Irish unless you ask them. get your facts right, [] Why blacks have Irish last names. Dunne 28. Gee, did the Irish ever make whisky? In the 1940s what were the Jews in Germany? You did not do it, I did not do it, you did not go through it, and I did not go through it, you are shaped more by the world around you now, and I am shaped more by the world around me now. I am quite sure that being held against you will is inhumane regardless of your color or religion. According to reports from the Central Statistics Office, Murphy is the most popular last name in Ireland. I guess that depends on what you consider Irish? Irish TV personality Louis Walsh, singer and Girls Aloud member Kimberley Walsh, and American actress Kate Walsh are three famous people with the surname Walsh. Slave owners would hang their human property by their hands and set their hands or feet on fire as one form of punishment. Jim Crow laws where formulated to keep Blacks in their place, not the Irish. I would love to know more, this has opened a window in my life. What do we see here? I do know my last name Orr is Scottish Irish but I dont know much else. Its a circular statement! What is NOT true is the absurd Idea that slavers bread African Slaves with Irish women to create more profitable slaves. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2017/03/17/us/irish-slaves-myth.amp.html, My last name is Doyle since I been on Facebook Ive learned there is alot of people in Jamaica with last name as mine I am in Chicago and its alot of us scattered through the city but it very nice to know we are Doyles all over the world beautiful black people. Meaning: Son of the blacksmith. There were no Irish people born in America as a slave based on their mother being a slave.. The truth is, you are an Israelite. This is so true, Africans have claimed slavery as their own. Yet, let me put it this way, why does it seem like every black person wants to deny irish history? It seems some people are trying to argue as if only black people were ever slaves?? This is incorrect information. Actress Kristen Bell is one of the most famous people with this name. Black Irish - Wikipedia The Irish were hated because they were catholics. I would love to know who you are to me , I want to know my roots from the mother of all mothers Africa .The Carrolls missing abd forgotten children.. Wrong. I always wondered why a lot of families there had Irish last names (Riley, Dubbery etc.) Yes, Irish were often seen as lower than low, called black Irish or Irish niggers, but dont confuse abusive language with being a slave. 4. Am Afro-American. And i agree. Today, there are many different variations of Irish surnames, but most commonly, they can be divided into three categories. Google how and why enslaving whites/Christians was outlawed in the U.S. Im not going to do the research for you. Were Irelands Viking invaders high on hallucinogenic herbal tea? Kelly 3. Not all Africans in America descend from slaves. In this decade, 52,000 Irish (mostly women and children) were sold to Barbados and Virginia. Im other words,. that because they werent born into chattel their plight isnt worth acknowledgement. Slavery is not the problem we have to endure. O'Connor 10. However, Black slaves were oppressed intellectually, religiously and physically if they attempted to escape or did anything wrong. One man and two kids made it. The potato blight which destroyed the main source of sustenance turned the vital food black. My ancestors great great great great great grandparents, one French, one black, moved to new Orleans together (after his wife died) and owned slaves. How did they enter said contract in the first place? This country was built on slavery of Asians, Indians, and Africans followed by the systematic oppression of those people by the English and Dutch. The Irish rioted against the draft board in the 19th century, because war is horrible, and they were being forced into something that had nothing to do with. The Irish slave trade began when James II sold 30,000 Irish prisoners as slaves to the New World. My grandparent on my mothers side has an Irish maiden name and said her mother married twice, both times to Murphies. It appears that everyone, including you, completely ignored my comment where I pointed out that the British would hire pirates, specifically Barbary Pirates from North Africa and the Middle eatern areas, to raid entire Irish villages with the intent of wiping out said village so the British could take over the land and do with it as they wish. I am sure that the Irish were treated as less than other white settlers, but to say their treatment was equal to or worse than the treatment of African slaves is not probable. In fact, ODubhghaill is the Gaelic version of the very popular Irish surname ODoyle. There is far too much historical EVIDENCE of the inhuman way Africans were treated.
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